Xep-85

Openfire Openfire Support
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Hi,

Do Openfire plan to support chat state (XEP-85) for groupchat ?

Only obsolete Message Event (XEP-22) seems to be supported…

Regards,

Michel

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XEP-85 does not require server support.

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Ok thanks but what about Spark client ?

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Latest Spark version does support chat state notifications. You can see them besides emoticon picker (user is typing, user is paying attention etc.). Although it is a client side feature, based on xep explanation i have filed a ticket to add an option to suppress notifications on the server side: https://igniterealtime.org/issues/browse/OF-914

Also, currently there is no option in Spark to disable chat state notifications, but the client must allow users to disable them. There is a ticket open for this and one community member proposed to write a patch for this, but i haven’t heard for quite long from him. https://igniterealtime.org/issues/browse/SPARK-1616

Anyway, if you just need chat state notifications and do not need to disable them for some users, then you are good to go with Spark 2.7.1.

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Spark is not actively developed.

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Oh, I’ve just noticed you mention group chat. I can’t test it right now, but i think it should work in private messages in group chat.

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Indeed, chat state works fine for 1 to 1 messaging, but for group chat not.

Here is a Spark message sent to a conference :

Hi

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Message Event (XEP-22) seems supported but XEP-85 no.

And unfortunately, XEP-22 is obsolete and not supported by other XMPP clients.

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I wonder how exactly it can be implememted GUI wise. Showing “typing”, “paying attention” besides every participant in a room. Looks like a huge mess. Unless it can be done with some icons. Still, a room with lots of actively chatting users is already very dynamic and adding flickering icons will add to that dynamic hell. Also, does a user care for a chat state of every participant? In some cases maybe (keep silent until your boss is “typing” ).

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I agree with you but other XMPP clients support that.

So although Spark try to initiate XEP-22 by sending :

Hi

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its seems that neither XEP-85 nor XEP-22 are supported by Spark in group chat ?

Could you please confirm that ?

Regards,

Michel

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I’m not a developer and not very good in xeps, so i can’t confirm it 100%, but based on your observations it seems that Spark only uses chat state for one-to-one messages. I can file a ticket for this, but there are no active developers working on Spark. First part (sending notifications) seems easy, but the GUI part not so. This needs a good java swing developer, but we don’t have one.